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Post by nlalston on Mar 15, 2023 3:20:10 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I am here with a very troubling situation, and hope that someone can help me out. I have a commissioned piece of work, which is seven templates from a piece of stock that is 20"x 35". There is no issue with the X&Y settings, as the stock is within my working area. However, (and try as I might) I cannot defeat the Z Axis Out Of Soft issue. I have NO idea as to WHY this is happening, and I have attempted, more times than I can mention, how I have lent myself to circumventing the situation (the picture will show the damage that was done to my puck - JUST TONIGHT). Out of the many expended efforts, there were just three times that the bit would touch-off properly. BUT, at those times the bit would air carve only; refusing to meet with the surface of the material. I know that I had been out of the CNC loop for months, but don't recall myself doing anything different than I had done before. I had NEVER experienced anything like this, before now. Outside of those three times, mentioned above, touching off the puck would bring the bit down to the surface, of said puck, with the spindle (seemingly) in attempts to drive the bit right through the puck. Yes, I REALLY need some help.  |
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Post by gerry on Mar 15, 2023 3:28:56 GMT -5
Post your project so we can peruse it....
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Post by Bob on Mar 15, 2023 7:10:38 GMT -5
Nathan,
It sounds like you are losing the electrical connection with the puck. As the wires get worn, the connection becomes intermittent. This has happened to me with the connection at the puck. Check connections at both ends of the wire. If these are good, check the socket where it plugs into the gantry. (I have also had that one come loose.)
There are other issues that could be happening, but check this easy one first.
Have you tried touching off using the paper method?
Bob
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Post by nlalston on Mar 15, 2023 8:24:32 GMT -5
Nathan, It sounds like you are losing the electrical connection with the puck. As the wires get worn, the connection becomes intermittent. This has happened to me with the connection at the puck. Check connections at both ends of the wire. If these are good, check the socket where it plugs into the gantry. (I have also had that one come loose.) There are other issues that could be happening, but check this easy one first. Have you tried touching off using the paper method? Bob Hi Bob. I almost filled up with hope - at least until I arrived at your last sentence/question. You see, I HAD (and for the very FIRST time) tried the paper method, at the end of my battle with this matter, last night. Being that it WAS my first time, I wonder if I had done THAT right. Allow me to explain what I did. After zeroing the X and Y axis's, I lowered the spindle's bit down to meet the piece of paper, below it. Just as the bit caught the paper - preventing the paper to be shifted, its position was zeroed out. I raised the spindle and called up the desired program to carve. The last step, on the pendent, produced that same 'Out Of Soft Limits' message. This thing has me so exasperated that I don't know WHAT to do  . I've had an issue (or three  with my machine before, but they were all of another nature - AND attributed to user error. I am TRULY hoping that the fix, for this current situation, won't translate into my having to shell out for some local technician to come out here. But I am STILL going to follow through with your first suggestion. |
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Post by nlalston on Mar 15, 2023 8:53:45 GMT -5
Post your project so we can peruse it....  Hey Gerry, here is the file. It's a very simple one, but seems to be very important to the customer. Circle Template.crv3d (84 KB) |
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Post by dadealeus on Mar 15, 2023 10:57:34 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I am here with a very troubling situation, and hope that someone can help me out. I have a commissioned piece of work, which is seven templates from a piece of stock that is 20"x 35". There is no issue with the X&Y settings, as the stock is within my working area. However, (and try as I might) I cannot defeat the Z Axis Out Of Soft issue. I have NO idea as to WHY this is happening, and I have attempted, more times than I can mention, how I have lent myself to circumventing the situation (the picture will show the damage that was done to my puck - JUST TONIGHT). Out of the many expended efforts, there were just three times that the bit would touch-off properly. BUT, at those times the bit would air carve only; refusing to meet with the surface of the material. I know that I had been out of the CNC loop for months, but don't recall myself doing anything different than I had done before. I had NEVER experienced anything like this, before now. Outside of those three times, mentioned above, touching off the puck would bring the bit down to the surface, of said puck, with the spindle (seemingly) in attempts to drive the bit right through the puck. Yes, I REALLY need some help. The error you are receiving is simply the CNC controller checking the cut path you've specified and has determined that it would require moving the z-axis beyond what the machine is capable of moving it to. If you've zeroed out the machine using the paper method and are still receiving the error, then the only place left to look is within your cut paths or at your machine's configuration. I would triple-check your cut paths and watch your cut previews to make sure you didn't make a mistake when entering your cut depths or retract heights. I looked at the attached file, but your paths were not in it so I could not take a look at them, myself. SIDE NOTE: I would also reduce the plunge speed on the toolset function that initiates the touch-off probe using your puck. By default, mine was set to a relatively high speed and would damage the surface of the puck. Once reduced, the function no longer damages the puck. Check out Gerry's post (third one in the thread) for details, here: axiomprecision.proboards.com/thread/1601/touch-off-puck-question |
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Post by toddd on Mar 15, 2023 11:52:30 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I am here with a very troubling situation, and hope that someone can help me out. I have a commissioned piece of work, which is seven templates from a piece of stock that is 20"x 35". There is no issue with the X&Y settings, as the stock is within my working area. However, (and try as I might) I cannot defeat the Z Axis Out Of Soft issue. I have NO idea as to WHY this is happening, and I have attempted, more times than I can mention, how I have lent myself to circumventing the situation (the picture will show the damage that was done to my puck - JUST TONIGHT). Out of the many expended efforts, there were just three times that the bit would touch-off properly. BUT, at those times the bit would air carve only; refusing to meet with the surface of the material. I know that I had been out of the CNC loop for months, but don't recall myself doing anything different than I had done before. I had NEVER experienced anything like this, before now. Outside of those three times, mentioned above, touching off the puck would bring the bit down to the surface, of said puck, with the spindle (seemingly) in attempts to drive the bit right through the puck. Yes, I REALLY need some help. Hi, when this has happened to me it was because the bit was set too far into the collet to allow it to cut to the proper depth as set up, reset bit in collet, reset Z, then try your file again. View Attachment |
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Post by gerry on Mar 15, 2023 13:11:04 GMT -5
Your job setup looks OK, with 0.2 Z-Gaps. You did not include any toolpaths in your crv3d file. There could be an error in the toolpaths (bit length, etc.)
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Post by nlalston on Mar 15, 2023 16:32:46 GMT -5
Your job setup looks OK, with 0.2 Z-Gaps. You did not include any toolpaths in your crv3d file. There could be an error in the toolpaths (bit length, etc.) Gerry, here are the toolpaths. Circle Template Toolpaths.crv3d (1.64 MB) |
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Post by gerry on Mar 15, 2023 19:42:27 GMT -5
I don't see any problems. The work piece is only 3/16" thick. As a aside, you may want to increase your modeling resolution in your job setup. It's not much slower, and the preview will look much better.
You should peruse your controller settings. Something may have got zapped from static, etc. It may be time to give Chad a call.
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Post by nlalston on Mar 16, 2023 23:19:02 GMT -5
Again, I appreciate EVERYONE's response having been given. And, following, is an update that I'd like to share.
I went back into my shop, this evening, and thought that I would try something a little different. Before, I was zeroing my 'Z' in very close proximity to the bottom left corner - where I had set my X,Y axis's. This time, however, I followed the norm for my X and Y, but moved the spindle to about mid-width of my stock, and about5 to 6 inches up from the bottom. I crossed my fingers, and began the 'touch-off' procedure of my bit. The but touched off properly, AND the spindle started into the carving process without hitch. Consequently, I was able to get that project done, and am left immeasurably relieved.
Thanks for stepping up, to help me. That means more than I can say.
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Post by jgarciaa on Mar 3, 2024 20:59:06 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I am here with a very troubling situation, and hope that someone can help me out. I have a commissioned piece of work, which is seven templates from a piece of stock that is 20"x 35". There is no issue with the X&Y settings, as the stock is within my working area. However, (and try as I might) I cannot defeat the Z Axis Out Of Soft issue. I have NO idea as to WHY this is happening, and I have attempted, more times than I can mention, how I have lent myself to circumventing the situation (the picture will show the damage that was done to my puck - JUST TONIGHT). Out of the many expended efforts, there were just three times that the bit would touch-off properly. BUT, at those times the bit would air carve only; refusing to meet with the surface of the material. I know that I had been out of the CNC loop for months, but don't recall myself doing anything different than I had done before. I had NEVER experienced anything like this, before now. Outside of those three times, mentioned above, touching off the puck would bring the bit down to the surface, of said puck, with the spindle (seemingly) in attempts to drive the bit right through the puck. Yes, I REALLY need some help. View AttachmentIt sounds like you're facing a challenging situation with your CNC machine, particularly with the Z-axis out of soft issue and difficulties with touch-off. This problem could be caused by various factors, such as incorrect machine settings, software glitches, or mechanical issues. Given the urgency of your commissioned work and the frustration you're experiencing, seeking assistance from experienced CNC users or technical support could be beneficial. Additionally, considering the Monport laser as an alternative could offer a solution. Renowned for its ease of use, high quality, and affordability, it could provide a reliable option for your CNC needs, potentially avoiding such issues in the future. You can find more information about the Monport laser product at monportlaser.com/collections/co2-laser-engravers/products/monport-40w-lightburn-ready-12-x-8-co2-laser-engraver-cutter-with-fda-approval?sca_ref=5031521.ka374VZjm3 |
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Post by jgarciaa on Mar 3, 2024 21:00:26 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I am here with a very troubling situation, and hope that someone can help me out. I have a commissioned piece of work, which is seven templates from a piece of stock that is 20"x 35". There is no issue with the X&Y settings, as the stock is within my working area. However, (and try as I might) I cannot defeat the Z Axis Out Of Soft issue. I have NO idea as to WHY this is happening, and I have attempted, more times than I can mention, how I have lent myself to circumventing the situation (the picture will show the damage that was done to my puck - JUST TONIGHT). Out of the many expended efforts, there were just three times that the bit would touch-off properly. BUT, at those times the bit would air carve only; refusing to meet with the surface of the material. I know that I had been out of the CNC loop for months, but don't recall myself doing anything different than I had done before. I had NEVER experienced anything like this, before now. Outside of those three times, mentioned above, touching off the puck would bring the bit down to the surface, of said puck, with the spindle (seemingly) in attempts to drive the bit right through the puck. Yes, I REALLY need some help. View AttachmentIt sounds like you're facing a challenging situation with your CNC machine, particularly with the Z-axis out of soft issue and difficulties with touch-off. This problem could be caused by various factors, such as incorrect machine settings, software glitches, or mechanical issues. Given the urgency of your commissioned work and the frustration you're experiencing, seeking assistance from experienced CNC users or technical support could be beneficial. Additionally, considering the Monport laser as an alternative could offer a solution. Renowned for its ease of use, high quality, and affordability, it could provide a reliable option for your CNC needs, potentially avoiding such issues in the future. You can find more information about the Monport laser product at monportlaser.com/collections/co2-laser-engravers/products/monport-40w-lightburn-ready-12-x-8-co2-laser-engraver-cutter-with-fda-approval?sca_ref=5031521.ka374VZjm3 |
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with my machine before, but they were all of another nature - AND attributed to user error. I am TRULY hoping that the fix, for this current situation, won't translate into my having to shell out for some local technician to come out here. But I am STILL going to follow through with your first suggestion. 
