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Post by dadealeus on Mar 17, 2022 15:29:06 GMT -5
Thanks, it is certainly a different controller. The Siemens one you can turn it about 3 to 4 times and the numbers do not move at all. I filmed it as well just not able to post it from my work computer. On top of that, the display is more difficult to read than yours, to make a good read I have to go down on my knees.
If it worked like yours, it would be great. Happens sometimes I start the cut and then realize I need to change the speed, so that adds a panic component and the knob just does not react as one expect. Oh. Yes, that definitely does suck then and I can 100% agree with issues that would cause. I'm not sure why they needed to change it, but that certainly seems like a serious issue that should be addressed and, honestly, should have had a solution before it was pushed into production (like, "the knob works fine, but you have to turn it slowly" or something of that nature). I can certainly see how that would be frustrating and I'm sorry you guys are having to deal with that. I wonder if it would be possible to switch out the knob. I know it is something that shouldn't have to be done, but I'm guessing it's some sort of potentiometer. Maybe it could be swapped with a better functioning one? |
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Post by pedro on Mar 18, 2022 8:18:03 GMT -5
Thanks, it is certainly a different controller. The Siemens one you can turn it about 3 to 4 times and the numbers do not move at all. I filmed it as well just not able to post it from my work computer. On top of that, the display is more difficult to read than yours, to make a good read I have to go down on my knees.
If it worked like yours, it would be great. Happens sometimes I start the cut and then realize I need to change the speed, so that adds a panic component and the knob just does not react as one expect. Oh. Yes, that definitely does suck then and I can 100% agree with issues that would cause. I'm not sure why they needed to change it, but that certainly seems like a serious issue that should be addressed and, honestly, should have had a solution before it was pushed into production (like, "the knob works fine, but you have to turn it slowly" or something of that nature). I can certainly see how that would be frustrating and I'm sorry you guys are having to deal with that. I wonder if it would be possible to switch out the knob. I know it is something that shouldn't have to be done, but I'm guessing it's some sort of potentiometer. Maybe it could be swapped with a better functioning one? Let me see if I can embed the video as you did....then you can judge by yourself.... |
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Post by dadealeus on Mar 18, 2022 11:02:51 GMT -5
Holy hell that's ridiculous! It's frustrating just watching you.
How do you even set the speed at all? Does it work if you go really slowly?
Have you shown Axiom a video like that? Whyyyyy would they believe that is an acceptable form of spindle speed control?
I have so many questions!
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Post by aluomala on Mar 18, 2022 12:06:00 GMT -5
Wow! I was wondering what people were talking about (when they said they have issues with the VFD). I have the other style (red LED readout) and have never had issues, and didn't even realize that there was another style (and would have assumed that a Siemens device would be "better" (based on name recognition).
All that said, I almost always leave my VFD at 50% (12,000RPM) and adjust on the fly based on sound, vibrations, etc. When I do have to change it (anything other than hardwoods (99% of what I carve)), I go by recommendations from manufacturer, GCode Wizard software, and keep my hand on the dial until I have things "dialed" in. I was a little put-out that there wasn't an option for software to control it, but I got over it in a hurry, particularly when I see the price difference between machines that have it and those that don't. I can see the advantages in a production environment, or when there are multiple users/operators, but not for my purposes. Same goes for ATC (auto tool changers): a nice to have, but not worth the cost difference IMO.
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Post by pedro on Mar 18, 2022 13:21:40 GMT -5
Holy hell that's ridiculous! It's frustrating just watching you.
How do you even set the speed at all? Does it work if you go really slowly?
Have you shown Axiom a video like that? Whyyyyy would they believe that is an acceptable form of spindle speed control?
I have so many questions!
Thanks, I was thinking I was being to picky. Yes, it is very annoying, I had some eMail exchange with Chad from Axiom, and he said the siemens controller is tricky. We should turn it slowly and consistently, each click would make 6RPM and when mantained at constant speed it would jump to higher steps.... but still, IMO it sucks. On top of that, yours have a led read out. The Siemens is hard to read from an upper angle, so I need to get down on my knees to read the numbers. What I do, I end up cutting almost everything with 20kRPM. |
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Post by dadealeus on Mar 18, 2022 13:30:23 GMT -5
Thanks, I was thinking I was being to picky. Yes, it is very annoying, I had some eMail exchange with Chad from Axiom, and he said the siemens controller is tricky. We should turn it slowly and consistently, each click would make 6RPM and when mantained at constant speed it would jump to higher steps.... but still, IMO it sucks. On top of that, yours have a led read out. The Siemens is hard to read from an upper angle, so I need to get down on my knees to read the numbers. What I do, I end up cutting almost everything with 20kRPM.
It really is comically bad. Like aluomala said, I thought people were just being annoying critical of something which works pretty well (both the knob and LED readout on the controller we have).
I can easily see what you're saying about the numbers, too; they all sort of block together and it's hard to read them even at eye level.
In short, you guys are completely within your rights to be pissed about that and I'm sorry I didn't give you more credit early on. I don't know if you could get together and get Axiom to ship you guys replacements that could be relatively easily installed, but that really is unacceptable.
Honestly, I'm really disappointed to see that Axiom was willing to release something that awful - I've always been very pleased with the quality of their machines and service. It really is a shock to see that because it contrasts so heavily with my experience.
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Post by pedro on Mar 18, 2022 14:00:15 GMT -5
Thanks....I am thinking of adding a disc with a handle to turn the knob at least at a consistent speed...nevertheless, annoying the least.
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Post by grossmsj on Mar 19, 2022 7:54:48 GMT -5
Yep, that's how mine 'works' too. It is just really, really unpleasant. It mostly makes speed adjustment nearly impossible. When faced with "Do I want to really dial in the speed correctly?" vs. "It's cutting okay, and I don't want to get down on my hands and knees and twiddle with that thing for three minutes", it's usually "Nah, it's okay".
It's just bad.
IF there is any bright side to this, the cutting ability is pretty tolerant to a wide range of spindle speeds for what I do. 18,000 rpm (or as close as I can twiddle it there) seems to be workable for all the woods and bits I use. I adjust the feed rate as others have said.
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Post by gerry on Mar 19, 2022 16:13:03 GMT -5
I guess if mine worked that poorly, I'd also be complaining. That is just unusable.
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Post by joeblow on Mar 19, 2022 17:12:11 GMT -5
Well, at least it's good marketing for an upcoming router model  Sorry to make light of that ridiculous situation you guys are in but couldn't resist. I would def be complaining. |
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Post by pedro on Mar 21, 2022 7:19:51 GMT -5
Yep, that's how mine 'works' too. It is just really, really unpleasant. It mostly makes speed adjustment nearly impossible. When faced with "Do I want to really dial in the speed correctly?" vs. "It's cutting okay, and I don't want to get down on my hands and knees and twiddle with that thing for three minutes", it's usually "Nah, it's okay". It's just bad. IF there is any bright side to this, the cutting ability is pretty tolerant to a wide range of spindle speeds for what I do. 18,000 rpm (or as close as I can twiddle it there) seems to be workable for all the woods and bits I use. I adjust the feed rate as others have said. Exactly, I also think...will be all right, around 20k works for most of my cutting needs....lower to 18 when I cut acrylic, or to 15 or so only if I use a large bit which is not common...anyway...it is what it is, and I think we can now all agree it is a flaw or a defect, nothing to do with price tag, etc. |
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Post by pedro on Mar 21, 2022 7:25:12 GMT -5
Well, at least it's good marketing for an upcoming router model  Sorry to make light of that ridiculous situation you guys are in but couldn't resist. I would def be complaining. I'd wish they could make a software update or just offer to exchange that part (the box seems to be the same, it is just the knob and display...). I just had bad luck to buy the machine at the time it came out with that controller...if they improve it now, I will be stuck with this, not a reason to change it at all, but nevertheless...frustrating. |
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Post by bentley on Mar 21, 2022 14:37:08 GMT -5
This is what I've been saying all along. But I guess I'm a troll according to another member on here. And even their Elite series has the exact same issue.
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Post by mrnewman on Mar 21, 2022 19:09:13 GMT -5
Nope still a troll. Your original postings had nothing to do with this specific issue on the new controllers, but nice try anyway.
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Post by rhuddles on Apr 26, 2022 20:21:24 GMT -5
I have to ask….on a software driven spindle, how do you adjust speed on the fly? If it requires going back into my design file and resetting my spindle speed, saving that new file and then running the cut again, count me out! Personally, I have become quite competent setting spindle speed on the fly with various materials, cutters, DOC, etc by judging sound and chips. My VFD works flawlessly and sure seems awfully simple when I reach over to adjust a couple hundred rpm on the fly. The ability to adjust spindle speed and feedrate, either static or "on the fly" is a product of the controller. The RichAuto controllers may or may not have that ability depending on model. I would assume the lesser cost models may not, but I would guess that some of the higher end models will. I can only venture a guess, as manuals and specs of them seem to be "unobtanium" on the web. In any case, if the terminals are available on the pendants IO board, just add the wires. PC based controllers have tons of extra features when compared to the hand held pendant type. The most basic of which is speed and feed control via onscreen sliders, via keystrokes or via wired or wireless MPG pendants. The ability to store your preferred RPM and feedrate for a given bit in your tool database to achieve proper chipload for your machine and material is pretty important. I have the Axiom AR8 Pro+ in which I have set up my programs and changed the Gcode to have a feed rate that is faster than what the chip load or general recommendation is. I think it risky to change the feed rate in your VCarve/Aspire software to something else other than getting the proper chip load. It is too easy to do it in a manner that becomes the general default for every project you create with that bit. So, I open the gcode in a text editor and find the feed rate locations and make changes. Then before I run the program from my controller I reduce the feed rate to 50%. I don't do this with all my programs. Pretty much the ones I can be near the machine the entire time. This allows me room to adjust greater than "100%" feed rate. This can be dangerous if you do not reduce the feed rate percentage in your controller. You could set yourself for disaster. My controller once set at whatever percentage of top feed rate stays that way but you should always check. I have made the mistake of running at over feed speed. It lets you know really quick. Changing the spindle speed via the computer is not big deal. With this setup I can make adjustments to spindle speed and feed rate on the fly. If my bit is getting worn I can make adjustments. Usually I can also hear sound differences or I ramped up to much and am running a little hot (smoking my wood  ) If it is on easier geometric cuts I can speed it up. It also allows me to use the same program with different woods so I can adjust to the wood and what it may be telling me. Regardless, the controller is not far from the router speed switch. Yes, you could have the router speed in the software and that is nice but even more you need the ability to adjust your feed and speed on the fly because of the material you are using and the condition of your bit. |
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Post by grossmsj on Jan 13, 2023 19:59:55 GMT -5
Does anyone know the model number for the current Siemens VFD on the Pro V5?
Edit: Opened the box today, and the Siemens Inverter is a Sinamics V20. What we are using on the front of the machine is just a separate user control (BOP panel). It connects to the inverter body by an RJ-45 connector.
Interestingly, there is an addition (Sinamics V20 Smart Access module) that would plug into the main inverter and allow you to control spindle speed on your phone. That's my presumption from looking online. BIG downside is that the app makes it super simple to mess up the settings on your inverter. It seems to be a service device, not something for end users like us.
The BOP should just work properly.
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) If it is on easier geometric cuts I can speed it up. It also allows me to use the same program with different woods so I can adjust to the wood and what it may be telling me. Regardless, the controller is not far from the router speed switch. Yes, you could have the router speed in the software and that is nice but even more you need the ability to adjust your feed and speed on the fly because of the material you are using and the condition of your bit.