WHAT THE HECK?

[nlalston]

Earlier today, I embarked on a 2d carving mission, and encountered a problem with my 2nd wife (Axiom Iconic 8).  I'd attempted to carve another copy of a project that I had, successfully, carved just yesterday - but attempts didn't work pout the same.  After going through the initial steps, I ran that same program, and everything started normally.  About 1-1/2 minutes into mthe carve, the spindle halted, and raised.  I could re-run the program, but nthe same thing would happen, in abpout the same amount of time.  I went back to the computer, to check and verify that the simulation was, indeed, running through properly - and it was.  I headed back to my machine, ran the program - and the same thing happened again.  THEN, something told me to re-start the CNC.  I did that, and re-ran the program.  THIS time, all went as it was supposed to.  The carving completed, and all was well.

I would lke to know if anyone else had experienced same, and if they might know what the cause of it was.  

[gerry]

Loose wire, cracked wire, static charge (from vacuum), and a few other things.

[grossmsj]

Were you running the program from the thumb drive or was it in the pendant controller? I haven't had any issues running programs from the drive, but a communication error between the thumb drive and the Axiom could also cause the program to stop.

[Axiom Tool Group]

USB connectivity and communication with the controller, will ultimately be the largest source of this type of trouble.

If the controller looses communication with the drive (often due to the drive not being completely compatible)...or the fit of the drive (i.e. pin to pin contact, dirty port etc)....then the controller acts as if the file has ended. If you look closely when this happens, you will notice that the controller displays a brief message showing 'user finish' to indicate that the file has ended.


Technically this will happen for any break in the file...so even if the file has not been completely saved, or the drive was pulled before the save was completed.

Most recently it has more to due with the USB type and format.


RichAuto insists that the drive must be a USB2.0 using a FAT32 format, and they recommend drives no larger than 8gb....however, we have found that the 16gb drives work just as well provided that they meet the other requirements.

*Larger drives, are more likely to be USB3.0 which is not wholly compatible and only some can be seen by the controller at all....and anything larger than 16gb will not meet the FAT32 format criteria.



In this case, since the drive worked better after a restart...then I would begin by looking at the drive type and size.

[nlalston]

@ grossmsj - Yes, I was running the program from a thumb drive. In fact, I have never (as of yet) stored any files in the pendant controller.

@ Axiom Tech - Well, I am hoping that the culprit may, indeed, be with the thumb drive, instead of something else. Replacing said drive would be a lot less troublesome, than having to research what else might be going on. Yes, I had heard that the best drives to use were those no larger than 8gb, and that they be formatted with FAT32. The drive that I have been using is a Toshiba 16gb - owing to the fact that it was what I had on hand, AND because of not being able to find any 8gb drives at a local outlet. I guess I'll just have to feed into an online purchase of a couple.

[nlalston]

Jun 13, 2022 9:56:04 GMT -5 Axiom Tool Group said:

USB connectivity and communication with the controller, will ultimately be the largest source of this type of trouble.

If the controller looses communication with the drive (often due to the drive not being completely compatible)...or the fit of the drive (i.e. pin to pin contact, dirty port etc)....then the controller acts as if the file has ended. If you look closely when this happens, you will notice that the controller displays a brief message showing 'user finish' to indicate that the file has ended.


Technically this will happen for any break in the file...so even if the file has not been completely saved, or the drive was pulled before the save was completed.

Well, I just finished having a few more fighting matches with this matter.  Five times (FIVE) did I try to win that face-off, but failed with each attempt.  I never pull flash drive from my computer unless, first, having been assured - by the taskbar's feature for safe removal of hardware is recognized.  I will most definitely be ordering some 8gb (max) drives, as it would be the cheapest way to gain a working relationship with my machine - or eliminate one possibilty of cause.  What boggles my mind is that the failure happens at the exact same place each time.  I get no more than about a minute and a half of movement, until the spindle shuts down, and raises.  And, yes, I HAVE seen that 'User finish' notification.

Of those five failures, tonight, three of them occurred after a shutdown, and restart of my CNC.  But all was to no avail.  If my (attempted) attached picture comes through, it will show all that I was able to get done.  The carving started at the top most carve, and stopped after completing the bottom left carve.  This was supposed to be a wedding sign, for a friend, and (again) the action stopped in the same location, each time.Not knowing what else to do, I'll just have to wait until I have ordered those flash drives.  Hopefully, I'll be able to stand above this issue, before long.

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[grossmsj]

Did you try copying the USB thumb drive file to the Rich Auto controller and running it from there?

[nlalston]

Jun 16, 2022 7:24:50 GMT -5 grossmsj said:

Did you try copying the USB thumb drive file to the Rich Auto controller and running it from there?

Hey there.

Sorry it's taken as long as it has to respond (been encumbered by a number of things), but - no, I have not tried that yet.  That's because I don't know how to save files to my pendant.  I can't find what I had, in regards to the manual, and I've JUST been searching through the Axiom Home site, as I thought it would be there.  I've even initiated a global internet search, for same, but could find it nowhere.  I did happen across one for the Axiom Precision, but not for my Axiom Iconic 8 (or any size, in that line).  I did nearly a two hour carve, last night, which went just fine.  About an hour ago, I attempted another carving, and my machine went kaflooey, again - this time, about just a minute into the carve.  It so happened that I started with 'air carving' - just to see how things would go.  I figured (as I did last night) that I'd give it about a 4-5 minute 'touchless' run, to see how things went.  If it lasted that long, then I could be confident in entering into an actual wood carving procedure.  

Would you know where  could, actually, get a copy of the pdf manual for my machine?  It would be very helpful, to me.

Advanced thanks.

[pieman]

If you go to the Axiom site and click on CNC Models, then pick the Iconic Series Build Now. Then scroll down to near the end of the page, the last line of the specification table. You'll see View Product Manual, click that to open the PDF. Internal memory starts on page 22.

[nlalston]

Jun 19, 2022 12:41:33 GMT -5 pieman said:

If you go to the Axiom site and click on CNC Models, then pick the Iconic Series Build Now. Then scroll down to near the end of the page, the last line of the specification table. You'll see View Product Manual, click that to open the PDF. Internal memory starts on page 22.I looked everywehere

[nlalston]

Jun 19, 2022 15:44:42 GMT -5 nlalston said:

Jun 19, 2022 12:41:33 GMT -5 pieman said:

If you go to the Axiom site and click on CNC Models, then pick the Iconic Series Build Now. Then scroll down to near the end of the page, the last line of the specification table. You'll see View Product Manual, click that to open the PDF. Internal memory starts on page 22.I looked everywehere

I looked EVERYWHERE. but THERE .  Thank you SO MUCH.  And (if you're a dad), A HAPPY FATHER'S DAY to you.

[nlalston]

Well,I did find out how to go about copying files from my flash drive to my pendant, and went through the process. Right after that, I initiated the carving. But again, I was met with the very same negative condition. In just over a minute, our so, into the air-carving, the spindle shut off, and raised up. I don't know what the heck, else, to do - outside of trying a smaller capacity flash drive. If THAT doesn't do it, then I would surely be in a bind. I mean, it isn't as if I could load up this heavy '2nd wife' of mine, and take her to a local location to get checked out, and corrected . DANG.