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Post by butterflyqueen on May 13, 2019 18:06:32 GMT -5
Trying to run my laser, it works manually but won't turn on when I run the file. I used the proper PP in the toolpath. Anyone have any ideas on what to check for?
Thanks
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johnb
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New owner @ March 2019, AR16 Elite, Aspire, 4th Axis & Laser
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Post by johnb on May 14, 2019 6:59:48 GMT -5
Since you say it "works manually" I assume that you know how to toggle that mode back to the other setting by moving the slide switch.
Did you flip the switch that toggles between "laser" and "spindle"? Located on laser controller Did you change "delay" on startup to a value of zero to eliminate the lag and give the laser "instant on" without a 4 second delay? It's my understanding that this is a "convenience" thing and not necessary, but perhaps you have some different value in there that has corrupted the start process. Did you push the little reset button on the laser controller? Did you plug in the transformer cube that provides 120 volts to the laser controller? Finally...is the file "running" without the laser being on...or is the macine simply "sitting there" as if awaiting commands?
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Post by Axiom Tool Group on May 14, 2019 7:16:40 GMT -5
Like John, we would have a few questions as well...so please do not hesitate to simply call us.
However, often with the lasers it is simply the position of one of the switches.
First make sure the laser is properly seated...then when you turn the laser control board on, and use the red reset switch...the green light should stay on and the fan on the laser head should remain active. If you have to hold down the button to keep that fan on...then the safety switch beside the laser head is not being fully engaged or you have a loose connection somewhere.
Before running a job you also need to make sure that the silver toggle switch is in the laser position.
We've recently notified JTech that this switch is not in their manual...so that is being revised shortly. However that switch controls where the signal is being sent to (either to the laser or the spindle).
If all is set correctly, then you should be able to turn the laser on/off using the SPINDLE button on the handheld controller....and any file that you run with the laser post processor should turn it ON/OFF as needed to complete the job.
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Post by butterflyqueen on May 14, 2019 12:26:21 GMT -5
Yes, I've done all of the things you have stated. the job actually runs, just no laser function.
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Post by Axiom Tool Group on May 14, 2019 12:57:43 GMT -5
You may need to check the spindle logic...It is rarely not setup correctly, however, if the spindle states are not setup correct...then you may not be getting a proper On/Off signal to the driver.
If you go into the MENU and select the Machine Setup...choose the Spindle Setup and finally the Spindle State.
This should be set to 1.
If this is set incorrectly...simply highlight it and press DELETE. Then select the correct setting and press OK....press OK on the next screen and then use the STOP/CANCEL button to go back on screen at a time until you return to the main MENU.
Then within the AutoPro Setup...scroll down and select the GCode Setup. Then scroll down to find the Spindle.
This should be set to NTLLG.
If this is set incorrectly...simply highlight it and press DELETE. Then enter or select the correct setting and press OK.
Then again use the STOP/CANCEL button to go back until you reach the main coordinate screen and retry.
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Post by butterflyqueen on May 14, 2019 14:28:59 GMT -5
Ok, I went and checked that and it was set on "3" I changed it to "1" and tried running the file with the same negative results
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Post by gerry on May 14, 2019 15:54:24 GMT -5
Has the laser EVER worked? The spindle control wire could be installed incorrectly.
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Post by butterflyqueen on May 14, 2019 17:17:11 GMT -5
Not in run mode, only in manual setting
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Post by gerry on May 14, 2019 17:34:41 GMT -5
Not in run mode, only in manual setting Do you mean: Flip the switch to LASER, then hit SPINDLE in the handheld?
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Post by butterflyqueen on May 14, 2019 17:51:50 GMT -5
No, theres a little black mode selector switch that when its in the left position, when all switches and safeties satisfied, the laser comes on, which it does. When you switch it to the right it's supposed to accept the command from the program file to turn on and off, that's what doesn't work
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Post by gerry on May 14, 2019 18:43:23 GMT -5
No, theres a little black mode selector switch that when its in the left position, when all switches and safeties satisfied, the laser comes on, which it does. When you switch it to the right it's supposed to accept the command from the program file to turn on and off, that's what doesn't work I don't think you should ever have to switch this to the left.... CW Mode: This is when the switch is on the LEFT. This mode stands for "Constant Wave", which means that the laser will turn on and stay on until the switch is turned back to the right or the power on the board is turned off. Input Control Mode: This is when the switch is on the RIGHT. This mode allows for a signal to be connected to connectors H2 or H4 for a signal to turn the laser on and off. Use this input with your controller to turn the laser on and off with G Code commands. I don't think the wiring for spindle/laser switch is correct. If you set the toggle switch to LASER, the slider switch to the right (Input Control Mode), turn on the key, hit the RESET laser button, when you hit the handheld SPINDLE button ('.' key), the laser should turn on. If not, it is most likely mis-wired. Did you do the initial wiring connections/installation? This all connects to the SPINDLE control wire in the control box. After the wiring is done, this switch toggles between SPINDLE and LASER. If all else fails, PM me and I'll give you my phone #.
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Post by Axiom Tool Group on May 15, 2019 8:07:43 GMT -5
On the very top of the laser control board...there is a silver toggle switch.
That what we are talking about when we ask if the switch is in the laser position.
That top silver switch controls where the signal is being sent, if not in the correct position then the laser will not work regardless of everything else.
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Post by butterflyqueen on May 15, 2019 19:26:08 GMT -5
Ok, I figured out the problem, thank you all for your help. The spindle control wire had came out of the terminal on the back of the control unit. The problem I'm having now is the laser is burning the toolpath line along with the program file. How do you eliminate that?
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Post by gerry on May 15, 2019 21:45:28 GMT -5
Ok, I figured out the problem, thank you all for your help. The spindle control wire had came out of the terminal on the back of the control unit. The problem I'm having now is the laser is burning the toolpath line along with the program file. How do you eliminate that? You are using the CNC post processor, not the laser one. You get the laser lines because the the CNC lifts the Z, not shut it off. You should be using "Axiom_HHC_Laser.pp"
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Post by butterflyqueen on May 16, 2019 5:57:04 GMT -5
I have been using the laser post processor for sure but I'm working on trying to figure it out
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Post by butterflyqueen on May 16, 2019 6:17:31 GMT -5
The laser turns on as soon as the file is loaded, plus the toolpath lines. I wondered if I put the wire back in the proper terminal so I tried it in the only other + terminal and nothing happened, so am sure I'm wired in the proper location now. I'm using the proper post processor too. I don't know what the heck it could be, but I'll keep fiddling with it. Thanks, Erika
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loren
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Post by loren on May 16, 2019 9:21:49 GMT -5
Did you remember to set the spindle delay to 0?
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Post by butterflyqueen on May 16, 2019 10:02:15 GMT -5
Yes, I did that too. The laser starts when the file loads and doesn't shut off until the file run is done I'm perplexed
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Post by Axiom Tool Group on May 16, 2019 10:02:33 GMT -5
When using the laser, make sure the spindle delay is turned off...
However, as Gerry mentioned...we see tool-path marks very often when the post processor is incorrect.
Please be sure that your post processor used is labeled Axiom HHC LaserV2 (mm) *.mmg
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Post by gerry on May 16, 2019 16:11:38 GMT -5
The laser turns on as soon as the file is loaded, plus the toolpath lines. I wondered if I put the wire back in the proper terminal so I tried it in the only other + terminal and nothing happened, so am sure I'm wired in the proper location now. I'm using the proper post processor too. I don't know what the heck it could be, but I'll keep fiddling with it. Thanks, Erika Take out the installation manual and CAREFULLY go over ALL the wiring steps. Something is hosed. STOP GUESSING. You might see the Smoke Monster.
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Post by Axiom Tool Group on May 22, 2019 9:58:30 GMT -5
Update: Having spoken with the customer yesterday, there is another parameter in the controller which is not typically discussed since it is generally always setup correctly from the factory.
If anyone else is experiencing this...go into the controller MENU and select the AutoPro Setup. Then scroll down to find the Gcode Setup....and find the Spindle settings.
This should be set to NTLLG.
If set to anything else the signal leaving the controller which would turn the laser ON/OFF may not be operating correctly.
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