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Post by mmarchitects on Apr 17, 2017 10:02:01 GMT -5
I recently purchased pro8 with the axiom dust shoe. It has been working great until the dust shoe fell off from the spindle while it was running. Unfortunately the dust shoe is no longer usable as destroyed by the router bits. (as an attached image) It has happened because I did not frequently check the screw bolt was tightened or not. To replace this, I have made a 3d printed dust shoe: is smaller, lighter, has better grip on the clamp using two screw bolts (instead of one). I also own a dust collector which has 38mm duct horse so I made it to suit for this. It works very well until now.
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Post by mmarchitects on Apr 17, 2017 10:04:07 GMT -5
Brush part also made from using the old parts...... Attachments:
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Post by stevem on Apr 17, 2017 10:27:55 GMT -5
You should consider selling those. The only problem would be is the cost of making one vs what you could possibly sell them. You said you used a 3D printer! Do you have the printer or did you have it made for you?
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Post by mmarchitects on Apr 17, 2017 10:53:46 GMT -5
Thanks Stevem. I have a 3d printer(not industrial one) but the quality of the print is considerably very good. If I outsource this, it can be pricey as a large volume required. I would guess that it would be better make it out of an injection molding for lowering the cost.
As you said I should consider selling this if anyone interested in this. Alternatively I could propose this to Axiom to produce this?!
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Post by stevem on Apr 17, 2017 11:05:29 GMT -5
I think Axiom has all they can handle for now. They can't even keep machines in stock because they are selling so fast. I am waiting for my Axiom to arrive. Should be her in about another week. I have the Kent shoe for it. It was the same one I had when I had the Shark HD4 and it worked well. I hope I can keep a check on it so it doesn't fall off like yours did. There $159 each. I see Kent actually makes them on his CNC machine. I say a video on it somewhere.
Contracting out and having a die made would cost way too much and you would never be able recoup your cost.
How long does it take to make one on your 3D printer? Just curious.
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Post by redwood on Apr 17, 2017 11:13:25 GMT -5
I'm curious as to where the failure was with your original axiom dust shoe.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 12:06:35 GMT -5
Nice concept, what CAD software did you use and are you willing to share the model? There are some things you could do to simplify it for production that would lower the cost substantially, namely you could just make a nozzle that works with the original dust shoe or another off the shelf nozzle.
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Post by stevem on Apr 17, 2017 12:58:32 GMT -5
Redwood:
I think he said the shoe had come loose and it just fell down and the cutter did the rest. When I had my HD4, I didn't have that problem, but I only had the machine for a few months and only cut about 18-20 pieces on it before I returned to to Rockler. Now they have it and haven't even tried to set it up to demonstrate it. Next Wave had in there shop more than I had it. My Kent dust shoe never came loose in that time, but If I had run the machine more, I can see that vibration will work things loose.
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Post by mmarchitects on Apr 17, 2017 23:22:09 GMT -5
Regarding the 3d printing time for the shoe, it took total of 8 hours. There are 3 different pieces. The geometry of these are very basic and sit flat so no support material needed.
I did consider buying the Kent dust shoe. It is very similar to the Axiom one and cheaper! They also can make you to fit to your nozzle size as Stevem said. Yes if my shoe is 3dprinted it could cost more than $150 to make!
I decided not to buy from the axiom or Kent ones because it could takes weeks to arrive from US (I am based in Japan). the Acrylic clamp detail with one screw bolt also gave me a paranoid this could happened again.
As shown in attached images I initially made a socket plug for 38mm nozzle on the axiom shoe. It also worked well.
Suspending duct horse from ceiling could also prevent this to happen?
For my duct shoe I modeled in Rhino3d. I will upload the STL format file in 3d printing community site soon so Once it is organised I will post the link for it.
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Post by mmarchitects on Apr 17, 2017 23:23:47 GMT -5
Here is the 38mm socket for axiom dust shoe.. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 8:52:28 GMT -5
Yes, hanging or otherwise supporting the hose from above with enough freedom to move throughout the work envelope helps and prevents sharp corners that reduce effectiveness as well. Thanks for the models in advance. I wonder if modifying an off the shelf small clean up nozzle might be another way of getting the internal directional part you printed.
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Post by mmarchitects on Apr 19, 2017 9:06:16 GMT -5
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Post by branson on May 6, 2017 4:52:13 GMT -5
The same exact thing happened to my first dust shoe from Axiom. If I didn't know better I would say that you took a picture of my dust shoe! I will say that axiom has reworked their dust shoe design and I think the new one is superior to the old one. I have been using it for a year almost daily on long 4+ hour cuts with no issues.
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Post by stevem on May 7, 2017 19:52:54 GMT -5
I have the Kent dust shoe. From what I have heard, Kent makes them for Axiom, or at least they did for awhile. Mine fits the Bosch 1617 router and I had been using it on the Shark HD4. I had the Shark for 4 months and it never came loose. Kent sells them for the same price as Axiom. Both of two plastic pieces are clear plastic and about 1/2" thick. Seems very sturdy.
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Post by ronm on May 10, 2017 9:02:22 GMT -5
You can buy the Powermatic dust shoe for $50.00 which is basically the same machine. I have ordered one as a backup from Jet.com. Will post review when I receive.
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Post by ronm on May 15, 2017 14:00:22 GMT -5
Exactly the same dust shoe in every respect.
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Post by stebromold1 on May 20, 2020 21:00:36 GMT -5
If you need injection molds, I have a good suggestion, maybe you can refer to stebro-mold. stebro-mold.com/
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