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Post by MuseumDan on Jul 23, 2019 17:37:08 GMT -5
the machine is leaking coolant. Doesn't seem to be coming from the hoses, maybe its the reservoir. What can I do without voiding the warranty?   |
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Post by gerry on Jul 23, 2019 17:40:56 GMT -5
Call Axiom and get a new tank...
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Post by MuseumDan on Jul 25, 2019 17:26:51 GMT -5
Called, its an issue they are well aware of. Most common leaks are from the seam on the pump between acrylic reservoir and the black plastic housing. Axiom is sending a replacement right away.
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Post by johnb on Jul 26, 2019 6:35:49 GMT -5
While you're waiting, you'll likely need to locate a source for propylene glycol. My Elite arrived with some of the coolant having leaked out of the system into the packaging and the reservoir was less than 1/2 full. Since there was no "current leak", Axiom determined that this likely happened when the pump was replaced during their pre-shipping test of the unit. The reservoir should be mostly topped off at all times to prevent a vortex that sucks air into the flowing coolant. I figured (from reading on this forum) that flushing & replacing the coolant is (at least) a periodic event, so I went ahead and bought an entire 64 oz bottle. What I got was item IPG-64 from www.ChemWorld.com It cost me $41.43 (including a little extra to have it dyed blue). It's not "as blue" as what was in the machine, however. Shipping was free. This is an "inhibited" 95% propylene glycol, so it is not (supposed to be) prone to algae growth that occurs within the clear coolant lines. Time will tell. Do NOT use ethylene glycol based antifreeze, as the alcohol will attack the plastics and you'll have a real mess. If you buy "something else" (like some of the advertised "RV Antifreeze"...dig deep enough to find out what is in it. You may have to go as far as looking up the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) to find out. |
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Post by gerry on Jul 26, 2019 11:39:08 GMT -5
If you buy "something else" (like some of the advertised "RV Antifreeze"...dig deep enough to find out what is in it. You may have to go as far as looking up the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) to find out. I use a good brand of RV Antifreeze. It's made not to attack seals in RV clean water system. |
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Post by Axiom Tool Group on Jul 29, 2019 8:02:05 GMT -5
While you're waiting, you'll likely need to locate a source for propylene glycol. My Elite arrived with some of the coolant having leaked out of the system into the packaging and the reservoir was less than 1/2 full. Since there was no "current leak", Axiom determined that this likely happened when the pump was replaced during their pre-shipping test of the unit. The reservoir should be mostly topped off at all times to prevent a vortex that sucks air into the flowing coolant. I figured (from reading on this forum) that flushing & replacing the coolant is (at least) a periodic event, so I went ahead and bought an entire 64 oz bottle. What I got was item IPG-64 from www.ChemWorld.com It cost me $41.43 (including a little extra to have it dyed blue). It's not "as blue" as what was in the machine, however. Shipping was free. This is an "inhibited" 95% propylene glycol, so it is not (supposed to be) prone to algae growth that occurs within the clear coolant lines. Time will tell. Do NOT use ethylene glycol based antifreeze, as the alcohol will attack the plastics and you'll have a real mess. If you buy "something else" (like some of the advertised "RV Antifreeze"...dig deep enough to find out what is in it. You may have to go as far as looking up the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) to find out. All that would be required is a simple RV/Marine grade antifreeze, which can be picked up locally at Walmart, Meijer etc...for about $4.00/gal., which customers have been using for the last several years. This is a propylene glycol blend used to treat sinks and other water systems in RV's and is very safe. We do have some concerns that a change to seen by our antifreeze supplier may have caused the increase in the failures currently seen in our cooling system...in an effort to correct this, we have recently switched back to using the above mentioned RV/Marine grade fluid. All current machines are being filled and tested in our Columbus, Ohio warehouse prior to shipping to customers....with a new Pink colored antifreeze. If the coolant in your machine is Blue, then it may be from the old supplier and may need to be changed out. *All coolant should be changed every 6 months. |
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Post by johnb on Jul 29, 2019 8:55:24 GMT -5
All that would be required is a simple RV/Marine grade antifreeze, which can be picked up locally at Walmart, Meijer etc...for about $4.00/gal., which customers have been using for the last several years. This is a propylene glycol blend used to treat sinks and other water systems in RV's and is very safe. BE CAREFUL WHICH ONE YOU PICK AT WALMART...the first two below are more expensive and you DON'T want them. The CamCo -50 (30757) is 25% ethyl alcohol, is flammable, and has a flash point of 110 degrees The Extreme Marine 95006 is 10% ethanol The SDS for the Super Tech (the cheapest one on the Walmart website) is at this link s7d9.scene7.com/is/content/GenuinePartsCompany/1247791pdf?$PDF$The SuperTech is 68% water, less than 20% propylene glycol & less than 10% glycerol (which is an alcohol of sorts). The dipotassium phosphate is likely in there to curtail algae growth (it's used as a plant fungicide in agriculture). |
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Post by Axiom Tool Group on Jul 30, 2019 13:10:42 GMT -5
30757 RV anti-freeze.pdf (101.32 KB) Peak.pdf (171.86 KB) Prestone Super Tech Antifreeze-Coolant MSDS.pdf (110.97 KB) SuperTech.pdf (531.42 KB) Zecol--50-RV-Plus-Anti-Freeze.pdf (196.19 KB) BE CAREFUL WHICH ONE YOU PICK AT WALMART...the first two below are more expensive and you DON'T want them. The CamCo -50 (30757) is 25% ethyl alcohol, is flammable, and has a flash point of 110 degrees The Extreme Marine 95006 is 10% ethanol The SDS for the Super Tech (the cheapest one on the Walmart website) is at this link s7d9.scene7.com/is/content/GenuinePartsCompany/1247791pdf?$PDF$The SuperTech is 68% water, less than 20% propylene glycol & less than 10% glycerol (which is an alcohol of sorts). The dipotassium phosphate is likely in there to curtail algae growth (it's used as a plant fungicide in agriculture). Great information! Taking a look at the MSDS sheets the Super Tech antifreeze which is a Walmart brand, does contain Ethanol....though it appears that most RV/Marine grade antifreeze solutions do... However, the CamCo brand (MSDS attached) doesn't appear to mention containing any alcohol. Alcohol content may be a contributing factor to some leaks seen with the antifreeze that we have been supplied recently which is why we have moved to filling all machines with a US product...essentially just allowing for more control over content. Thus far...few is any leaks have occurred on systems using any of the widely available propylene glycol blends. A none alcohol containing product would be preferred, though as it appears that alcohol content is at least common it can be assumed that at least some customers are using these products. Our experience over the last 5 years, leads us to believe that the content is low enough that its not harmful to seals....unlike the higher ethanol level in standard antifreeze which is known to eat at those seals causing leaks.
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Post by johnb on Jul 31, 2019 13:41:26 GMT -5
My bad on the MSDS...I didn't realize that Google had taken me to the Artic-50 instead of the Easy Going. As for the SuperTech...it appears that the SDS that I found differs from the one the admin found.
This is all very confusing, which is why I went ahead and bought the stabized 94% propylene glycol from ChemWorld. Yeah, it costs a bunch, but 64 oz (undiluted) should last me a good while.
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Post by Axiom Tool Group on Jul 31, 2019 15:44:46 GMT -5
I will admit, Walmart did not make it easy.
They list all the MSDS information by manufacturer and UPC...but they left out the space in Super Tech on that one item and it took forever to locate. But after all this discussion, we felt it would be a good idea to start a folder with that information.
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Post by MuseumDan on Aug 1, 2019 12:06:26 GMT -5
Received the pump very quickly from Axiom and replacing is an easy task if you have everything you need. 1) know what kind of coolant you need and what you need to avoid 2) pulling the hose off is not easy, get a replacement hose with a 5/16" ID, cut the shortest hose from the the pump (there's two hose sizes used) 3) drain and blow with compressor, the rest is easy.... ![]() ![]() ![]()    |
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Post by Axiom Tool Group on Aug 1, 2019 12:35:54 GMT -5
Received the pump very quickly from Axiom and replacing is an easy task if you have everything you need. 1) know what kind of coolant you need and what you need to avoid 2) pulling the hose off is not easy, get a replacement hose with a 5/16" ID, cut the shortest hose from the the pump (there's two hose sizes used) 3) drain and blow with compressor, the rest is easy.... ![]() ![]() ![]() View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentThose hoses can be a real pain to remove... Typically they can be pulled and twisted back/forth as they move slowly. In the winter a small amount of heat can help, as the tubes become very stiff in the cold. |
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