|
Post by parkin79 on Nov 9, 2018 12:34:47 GMT -5
I am creating a outdoor sign for winery in my area. i was wondering what would be the best wood to cut and finish to use on it to make sure it with stand the PNW weather. Again ty for all your guys help
|
|
grg
Junior Member
Posts: 140
|
Post by grg on Nov 9, 2018 14:49:47 GMT -5
HDU - high density urethane foam board is ideal for outdoor signs. If you are set on a real wood product, redwood (if it's still available) used the be the wood of choice for exterior sign making - cedar would be a good substitute. The benefit of HDU is that it expands and contracts with temperature changes very near that of most paints and the paint isn't stressed into cracking as quickly as with real wood. If you choose to go with HDU, I'm glad to share some priming/finishing tips.
|
|
|
Post by parkin79 on Nov 9, 2018 15:56:10 GMT -5
that looks great, where do you buy your HDU boards?
|
|
|
Post by parkin79 on Nov 9, 2018 15:58:19 GMT -5
also looking on line i see you can choose the density of the boards, what would you recommend?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 3:11:48 GMT -5
A good source for information and supplies is: precisionboard.com/As for the weight, 15-30 pound would be the full range for signs but 15 or 18 are typical.
|
|
|
Post by parkin79 on Nov 10, 2018 10:04:28 GMT -5
Great ty I will get some ordered for this project.
|
|
grg
Junior Member
Posts: 140
|
Post by grg on Nov 10, 2018 13:48:49 GMT -5
Agree with fean - 15 to 18lb board is the most commonly used. 20lb board requires less priming because the pore structure is much smaller than the lighter board weights. They argue you save enough time and materials when priming to offset the expense of the 20lb board but I figure it's roughly a wash since you need to prime either one anyway. I use 15lb Duna board and buy mine through a Grimco distributor.
I have been using FSC-88 HDU primer and I thin it 20% with water and spray it but it's getting hard to get. I also use premium exterior latex paints mostly because I can save the color codes and do any repair work for my clients later but a good friend of mine has been urging me to switch to one-shot oil based paints. I'm switching to a Chromatic high build primer and will custom mix the one shot paints for my next projects to see how I like those. I'm not real excited about having to custom mix my own colors but anything that reduces the tedious process of hand painting is worth it! ;-)
|
|
|
Post by parkin79 on Nov 10, 2018 14:52:54 GMT -5
When it comes to bits, do you need anything special? Or will the bits i use for wood work?
|
|
grg
Junior Member
Posts: 140
|
Post by grg on Nov 10, 2018 15:28:00 GMT -5
Wood bits are fine. I use a single flute end mill when possible but it doesn't really matter since the foam turns to dust for most operations anyway. My pass depths are pretty conservative here...I'm sneaking up on getting deeper if I'm in a time crunch but this is what I'm currently using:
Large clearance tool: 1/2" end mill (2 flute): 200ipm, .5" pass depth, 14k rpm
Detail tool: 1/8" single flute flat end mill: 200ipm, .125" pass depth, 24k rpm 1/8" single flute ball end mill: 200ipm, .125" pass depth, 24k rpm
Perimeter cut: 1/4" end mill (an extra long 2 flute to be able to cut clean through 1.5" thick depth): 200ipm, .375" pass depth, 14k rpm
|
|
|
Post by parkin79 on Nov 10, 2018 15:51:14 GMT -5
Thanks guys for the info. Looking forward to trying this material out.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 12:57:23 GMT -5
Precision Board has a sealer that also forms a very hard surface too specifically for protection and durability.
|
|
|
Post by parkin79 on Nov 13, 2018 11:03:28 GMT -5
just ordered my board and primer. i am excited to try this stuff out and see how it cuts and what the final product will look like. from what i seen of your examples GRG it looks like it will be amazing.
|
|
|
Post by asibley on Nov 15, 2018 4:22:45 GMT -5
I love HDU! Use it for most of my outdoor signs, unless someone requests otherwise here are some HDU signs Ive made
|
|
grg
Junior Member
Posts: 140
|
Post by grg on Nov 15, 2018 8:19:01 GMT -5
Wow, nice! Are you hand carving the reliefs or is that the texture toolpath in V-carve?
|
|
|
Post by noland on Nov 16, 2018 17:08:29 GMT -5
Wow, that looks like they sand blasted it to bring the wood grain out. I'm sure its tool path though.
|
|
|
Post by Woodworking Maniak on Nov 17, 2018 8:06:34 GMT -5
What is a sheet of 1.5" 15# HDU cost in your area? I'm looking for sources.
Thanks, Tim
|
|
grg
Junior Member
Posts: 140
|
Post by grg on Nov 25, 2018 14:18:46 GMT -5
roughly $300 at Grimco for Duna board 1.5" 15#. Price may vary depending on your account arrangement with them.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2018 14:05:01 GMT -5
roughly $300 at Grimco for Duna board 1.5" 15#. Price may vary depending on your account arrangement with them. Is that for a 4x8 sheet?
|
|
grg
Junior Member
Posts: 140
|
Post by grg on Nov 26, 2018 14:27:22 GMT -5
Yes 4x8.
|
|
|
Post by parkin79 on Nov 29, 2018 10:53:06 GMT -5
just got my sheet of Duna HDU 15#, that is some dense foam board. cant wait to start cutting into it this weekend for this sign i need to make. Also for the board i got, it was Duna HDU 15#, 4x8', 1 inch thick, and it cost $207
|
|
|
Post by parkin79 on Dec 8, 2018 18:11:48 GMT -5
This stuff is amazing.
|
|
|
Post by parkin79 on Dec 8, 2018 21:24:05 GMT -5
GRG what tips do you have for priming and painting HDU. I have the primer you mentioned above. Thanks again for recommending this stuff.
|
|
|
Post by nlalston on Nov 24, 2020 19:20:40 GMT -5
HDU - high density urethane foam board is ideal for outdoor signs. If you are set on a real wood product, redwood (if it's still available) used the be the wood of choice for exterior sign making - cedar would be a good substitute. The benefit of HDU is that it expands and contracts with temperature changes very near that of most paints and the paint isn't stressed into cracking as quickly as with real wood. If you choose to go with HDU, I'm glad to share some priming/finishing tips.
|
|
|
Post by nlalston on Nov 24, 2020 19:23:24 GMT -5
HDU - high density urethane foam board is ideal for outdoor signs. If you are set on a real wood product, redwood (if it's still available) used the be the wood of choice for exterior sign making - cedar would be a good substitute. The benefit of HDU is that it expands and contracts with temperature changes very near that of most paints and the paint isn't stressed into cracking as quickly as with real wood. If you choose to go with HDU, I'm glad to share some priming/finishing tips. Wow. That looks REALLY nice. I've never heard of this stuff, before, but am most certainly interested in it. Thanks for sharing.
|
|
|
Post by mnwoodbee on Nov 27, 2020 7:35:55 GMT -5
Can anyone that uses this be willing to share what you charge for signs like these? Material, textured tool paths hand painting all seem to add up. I’d like to try and get into business signage.
|
|
|
Post by nlalston on Nov 27, 2020 10:58:07 GMT -5
Can anyone that uses this be willing to share what you charge for signs like these? Material, textured tool paths hand painting all seem to add up. I’d like to try and get into business signage. I would be very interested in that kind of information, also.
|
|
|
Post by Mezalick on Nov 28, 2020 5:33:30 GMT -5
It's a constant questions on the forums. In my opinion it depends on several factors. Not in any particular order. 1. What the customer will pay. ( Perceived Value ) 2. the cost to make the sign. Material ) 3. What your time is worth. ( Design Time ) 4. What your cutting time is worth. ( Bits, electric and hourly rate ) 5. Business Overhead. ( Insurance, Advertising, and Profit ) 6. Where you are located ( Downtown Manhattan is more expensive than Central West Virginia ) OR, You could do the basic 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 1/3 material cost 1/3 labor cost 1/3 Profit And then, there's always the old saying that no matter what, someone will make cheaper and faster. What are the signs in your area selling for ? Here a picture to show your clients if they think the price is too high Michael
|
|
johnb
Full Member
New owner @ March 2019, AR16 Elite, Aspire, 4th Axis & Laser
Posts: 326
|
Post by johnb on Nov 29, 2020 10:30:44 GMT -5
You could do the basic 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 1/3 material cost 1/3 labor cost 1/3 Profit Michael View AttachmentMichael...you lost me on this equation. If 1/3 of the price is the material cost and 1/3 is the labor cost and 1/3 is the profit, then material cost = labor cost= profit and the price is material cost x 3. What am I missing here?
|
|
|
Post by redwood on Dec 1, 2020 16:21:23 GMT -5
I think I sell my signs for way too cheap, but if I used the 1/3 method of costing signs, I would make even less.
|
|
|
Post by Mezalick on Dec 2, 2020 3:42:03 GMT -5
You could do the basic 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 1/3 material cost 1/3 labor cost 1/3 Profit Michael View AttachmentMichael...you lost me on this equation. If 1/3 of the price is the material cost and 1/3 is the labor cost and 1/3 is the profit, then material cost = labor cost= profit and the price is material cost x 3. What am I missing here? JohnB It's an old formula from years ago...It could be literally 1/3rd or it could be that the price is in 3 parts, the costs of the material, the cost of labor and the cost for profit..So it would end up with a different selling price.
|
|