309cnc
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Post by 309cnc on Mar 9, 2018 18:29:10 GMT -5
Has anyone found a good way to make the LED light strip stick to the gantry? I used the alcohol thing that came in the kit to clean the surface and at first it acted like it was going to stick. But the next morning it's laying on the spoil board again.... :-(
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Post by ricphoto on Mar 9, 2018 18:34:18 GMT -5
Has anyone found a good way to make the LED light strip stick to the gantry? I used the alcohol thing that came in the kit to clean the surface and at first it acted like it was going to stick. But the next morning it's laying on the spoil board again.... :-( Have you tried VHB tape? In the Van conversion community it's even used to hold flexible solar panels to the Vans roof... www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BU7038A/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Post by BigMoose on Mar 9, 2018 19:43:08 GMT -5
Has anyone found a good way to make the LED light strip stick to the gantry? I used the alcohol thing that came in the kit to clean the surface and at first it acted like it was going to stick. But the next morning it's laying on the spoil board again.... :-( Have you tried VHB tape? In the Van conversion community it's even used to hold flexible solar panels to the Vans roof... www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BU7038A/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1VHB is awesome stuff! If VHB wont hold something its hopeless. Lol
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Post by 309cnc on Mar 10, 2018 10:18:35 GMT -5
I'll have to give that a try.... Thanks!
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Post by aluomala on Mar 10, 2018 12:45:15 GMT -5
I thought I was the only one with this problem. Normally the 3M tape is pretty decent, and I thought I wasn't thorough enough in my wipe-down with the alcohol swab. I ended up using some tubed adhesive that I have laying around (and clamping overnight). That did the job.
Allan
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Post by BigMoose on Mar 10, 2018 14:20:38 GMT -5
I thought I was the only one with this problem. Normally the 3M tape is pretty decent, and I thought I wasn't thorough enough in my wipe-down with the alcohol swab. I ended up using some tubed adhesive that I have laying around (and clamping overnight). That did the job. Allan I have found that a lot of the LED strips that say it is 3M tape actually is not. They just put it on there to make it look better quality. This is mainly the Chinese stuff which is 99% of the market.
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Post by arsystems on Mar 10, 2018 19:18:36 GMT -5
I thought I was the only one with this problem. Normally the 3M tape is pretty decent, and I thought I wasn't thorough enough in my wipe-down with the alcohol swab. I ended up using some tubed adhesive that I have laying around (and clamping overnight). That did the job. Allan I used some super glue gel.. I gave it more than what I thought was a thorough wipe, it came off instantly. Super glue gel worked great. Never thought about it again.
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Post by traindriver on Mar 10, 2018 20:31:38 GMT -5
I use LED strip lighting for undercabinet lights, and on a corner shelf I made, and I've discovered that when they're on for a while, they heat up enough to make the sticky on the tape useless. I have had good results with a hot glue gun.
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Post by Axiom Tool Group on Mar 22, 2018 12:28:40 GMT -5
The supplier we get the components for the LED kit from, recently made a change to go away from that 3M branded tape.
We have made two assumptions...(1) That this was due to the tape not being tacky enough (2) That the surface of LED is too concave, not allowing the tape enough surface area contact.
I do not believe that any of the newer tape versions are having the same issue, maybe as someone mentioned it really was a Chinese 3M tape.
In all cases reported, super glue has worked very well. Not sure that I'd jump to that right away, but its safe to assume that the LEDs will last for years.
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Post by cyh on Mar 22, 2018 14:48:55 GMT -5
2 months ago the LED strip had fallen down again after trying a type super glue. Its possible the strip was not cleaned up properly. At that time the LED strip and the metal was cleaned with 3M Adhesive Remover. I applied a thin coat of 3M Plastic and Emblem Adhesive (car body shop product for trim attachment) with a plumbers acid brush on both surfaces, taping off a 3/4" strip on the metal surface. Let the glue dry (20 minutes +-) to touch and then apply a second light coat to the Led strip letting it dry 5 minutes. Then applied the strip to the metal and place a board strip on the LED strip and placed 2 sticks between the spoil board and the board strip with light pressure.
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Post by tmcrocker on Apr 2, 2018 21:09:36 GMT -5
Clear box tape (3m brand) works for me.
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Post by gerry on Apr 2, 2018 21:16:36 GMT -5
I use LED strip lighting for undercabinet lights, and on a corner shelf I made, and I've discovered that when they're on for a while, they heat up enough to make the sticky on the tape useless. I have had good results with a hot glue gun. After a bunch of glues and tapes, tried this last week. It's working great. P.S. Denatured alcohol works great to de-bond hot glue.
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Post by scottlee37 on Apr 8, 2018 11:25:13 GMT -5
I had the same issue, I used super glue and is still holding
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Post by okietim on Apr 16, 2018 19:44:12 GMT -5
I had the same problem. I used flexible super glue. Worked great. No problems since.
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Post by cletus on Apr 21, 2018 21:10:40 GMT -5
I just super glued mine also. they held on for a month.
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Post by stevem on Apr 22, 2018 9:57:11 GMT -5
I am one of those guys who likes to wait for someone else to try something, before I'll try it BUT After reading all the problems everyone is having with these lights, I don't think it's worth messing around with it. I wouldn't mind having the light there, but since the lights get warm enough for the glue to release, it sounds like more trouble than it's worth. It sounds like everyone is having the same problem. They just don't stay on! There has to be something better that will work!
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Post by gerry on Apr 22, 2018 12:40:29 GMT -5
The lights are very nice and hot glue holds them up just fine. It's just that the original glue was a cheap knock off of 3M.
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Post by stevem on Apr 22, 2018 16:24:26 GMT -5
The led's probably get to warm and the adhesive just lets go.
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Post by aluomala on Apr 25, 2018 10:13:51 GMT -5
I'm really starting to think that Axiom should replace the LED light that they are selling (or have sold to customers, such as myself).
IIRC, they charge something like $35US for this product, and I have seen cheap LED light strips for a fraction of this price. I bought it thinking it would be a quality product (at that price point) rather than doing a 3rd party (eBay, etc) product.
Considering that it is an electrical/fire/safety issue (if the light strip drops down into the path of the spindle), this should be a free replacement ASAP to all of those effected. I suspect they will deflect, and blame their supplier/factory/sub-contractors (as I have seen with the algae/sludge growth in cooling system). News flash: nobody cares whose fault it is (downstream); it has YOUR [Axiom's] name on it, so the buck stops with you.
Anyway, that's my thoughts on this.
Allan
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Post by Axiom Tool Group on Apr 26, 2018 10:04:29 GMT -5
There are many contributing factors involved. Such as any oil/coolant that may have been on the surface before the LED was affixed too just bad adhesive. Its also been noted that the led strips are not flat and if not pressed firmly the entire adhesive surface can not make contact.
These are also stored in a unheated warehouse currently and all the problems had been noted on batches that were stored in those freezing temperatures.
However, regardless of the reason for falling of customer concerns had been reported to the supplier who has made changes to the adhesive, no longer using the 3M brand that was present originally.
Regarding replacement, it been our policy to replace anything that absolutely warrants it. In this case, with the LED strips themselves functioning correctly we are in a tight spot trying to identify whether its user error that has caused the adhesive to fail or a defect. Bare in mind that there have only been a handful of reported issues and while we trust that most customers are installing correctly, we have not been able to recreate the issue with any machine that we've installed the LEDs on ourselves.
In addition, we do want to avoid crimping any more connectors onto the wires used than we absolutely have to.
In all reported cases, just a bit of adhesive, even hot glue has been enough to hold the strip in place. Which is a much easier, cheaper and faster alternative to replacement of the entire unit. Which most customers understand, however as I mentioned, we do not have a problem replacing these when needed.
As for Fire Risk....the entire system operates on a fused 24V supply. The fuse is there to prevent any electrical risk and 24V is far to small to create any risk of fire.
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309cnc
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Post by 309cnc on Jun 4, 2018 13:59:46 GMT -5
I recently used VHB tape to (re-)attach mine and it seems to work great.
Here is what I ended up doing:
- I cleaned the gantry surface with alcohol and - removed the thin tape film from the back of the LED strip and - cleaned the LED strip with alcohol as well. - Laid the strip into the tape and then applied to gantry. - Applied slight pressure to the entire LED strip by wegdging a narrow board upright between the spoilboard and the LED strip overnight.
Holds up well now....
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Post by BigMoose on Jun 4, 2018 18:00:30 GMT -5
I recently used VHB tape to (re-)attach mine and it seems to work great. Here is what I ended up doing: - I cleaned the gantry surface with alcohol and - removed the thin tape film from the back of the LED strip and - cleaned the LED strip with alcohol as well. - Laid the strip into the tape and then applied to gantry. - Applied slight pressure to the entire LED strip by wegdging a narrow board upright between the spoilboard and the LED strip overnight. Holds up well now.... If VHB ends up failing nothing will work! Lol. I have yet to find something VHB wont hold.
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Post by johnb on Feb 19, 2019 20:46:34 GMT -5
Another alternative for sticking things down...particularly if you MIGHT want to remove it later. Velcro makes a WIDE variety of fasteners. One of their "industrial strength" styles foregoes the "fuzzy" side and uses interlocking teeth on both pieces. I've seen this used to attach cabinetry to the hull sides in boats...to great effect.
When you're "gluing" two things together, there are two "numbers" to remember...both by 3M. One is 5200 and the other is 4200. Both are 1 part polyurethane adhesives. The 4200 is considered "removable" (with heat and prying) and is used for "bedding" marine fittings and the 5200 is considered "permanent"...you'd better believe that it is...if you bond two pieces of fiberglass together with it, you'll end up delaminating the fiberglass to get them apart. Both are sold as marine products and cure in the presence of atmospheric moisture. Allegedly, 5200 can be removed with Methyl Ethyl Ketone (a NASTY, unstable chemical) and a product called "De Bond". Unless immersed in water, 5200 has a curing time measured in days...nonetheless...it's handy to know about.
While I'm at it...Masterseal NP1 (formerly known as Sonolastic NP1)...and formerly available at the Big Orange Box (but no more) is one of the best caulking/sealing products on the market. It's an elastomeric polyurethane. It has about a 50 year life when gluing down flashing to a standing seam metal roof (for instance) as well as cracks in concrete. It ain't cheap (at about $13 a tube), but it IS wonderful. Made by Sonneborn.
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Post by joeblow on Feb 20, 2019 8:12:37 GMT -5
I use LED strip lighting for undercabinet lights, and on a corner shelf I made, and I've discovered that when they're on for a while, they heat up enough to make the sticky on the tape useless. I have had good results with a hot glue gun. Hot glue works fantastic for led strips. Used it many times with success on cabinets, bars and even Azek. No callbacks yet and going on 10 years since I started using LED strips on jobs. I have never had luck with the tape holding for a long duration.
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Post by jimcamp126 on Feb 21, 2019 10:33:28 GMT -5
Has anyone found a good way to make the LED light strip stick to the gantry? I used the alcohol thing that came in the kit to clean the surface and at first it acted like it was going to stick. But the next morning it's laying on the spoil board again.... :-( I used zip tie mounts and zip ties. It's been working about 5 months with no failures. Here's a link to Home depot: www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-1-in-UV-Mounting-Base-Black-100-Pack-HW-4ACB/203531921.
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Post by Axiom Tool Group on Feb 25, 2019 16:07:16 GMT -5
We have found that we see adhesive issues with approx. 2% of the strips. At the current time, it's still very hard to tell if the adhesive is suspect, or there is something like coolant or oils on the gantry that prevent proper adhesion.
As mentioned before, we do prefer to avoid unclamping the wires and installing a new set....so that the wires do not become damaged. However, we are happy to replace this if needed....though we also keep VHB tape on hand for these instances.
If you experience an issue with your LED kit, please contact us at support@axiomtoolgroup.com
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Post by russ on Jun 1, 2019 0:47:42 GMT -5
My LED kit came off about 1/2 hour after putting it on, using the self adhesive strip. I ran a strip of 1/4” 3M VHB tape the length of the LEDs and it hasn’t budged. If you buy the LED kit (which is really cool and so easy to add), just know you’ll likely need some VHB from 3M to keep you light kit in place.
Russ
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Post by gerry on Jun 1, 2019 2:22:45 GMT -5
Hot glue holds 'em just fine.... and cheaper.
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Post by escobar on Jun 2, 2019 19:14:52 GMT -5
I have some magnets on mine and has not moved once.
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Post by johnb on Jun 2, 2019 21:28:43 GMT -5
Hot glue holds 'em just fine.... and cheaper. You don't get any cheaper than "Dear Axiom...my LED light strip fell off, please send VHB tape"...Axiom response "OK, It's on the way"...and it was.
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